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Larry Lennhoff

Aren't there other issues related to skiing on Shabbat? I doubt there is an eruv at the ski resort, so I would consider poles in particular to be a problem. You sound like an experienced skier, but in my case there would be a definite issur of the melacha of (snow) plowing.

jwharding

i found you on the web lookin for something on heschel. living deep in the hebrew morrocan heartland in the south of israel i am among other things pondering to what extent heschel translates into hebrew and into what is going on here
your blog on skiing on shabbat seems to be very strange even though occasionally we have seen snow in the negev

as heschel says in the carl stern interview he does not believe in monopoly so neither should i , i imagine
have a good week

jwharding
yerucham , israel

bleff

Larry, I hadn't thought about the poles as an issue; I took care about not carrying anything else. I wonder if it is analogous to someone who uses a cane, and whether that would be permissible?

Mr Harding, Heschel wrote one book I'm aware of in Hebrew, "Torah Min Hashamayim." I think there may be some translations of some of his other work, but I think a lot of it would be very difficult to translate as his use of language is on the level of poetry in many places.

Jeff

Rabbi Barry

What I am wondering about is not so much the language issue - you're right the poetics of his writing is really difficult to transfer - but more whether and how to translate some of Heschel's substantitive humanistic pluralistic and universal messages into language that the Israeli ear and heart might absorb.
Also I think there should be some kind of Israeli - Diaspora dialogue going on as to H's relevance here and abroad. Maybe there is such a dialogue taking place somewheres ?

J.W.Harding a.k.a Jeff Goodman

Alex

I don't think the use of the ski poles for recreational purposes can be considered analogous to a handicapped person who uses a cane - in which case the halacha considers the cane to be his "third leg" - based on the following source: "If a person is incapable of walking without a cane, then halacha considers the cane his 'third leg,' and he may therefore use it for walking in a public domain on Shabbat. If, however, a person uses the cane merely for additional comfort and support, but he is capable of walking without it, then walking with a cane is tantamount to carrying the cane and is therefore forbidden in a public domain on Shabbat...one may use it [the cane; in a public domain] only if he cannot walk without it" (Or LeSiyon, Helek 2, Perek 23:5, and see Menuhat Ahava, Helek 3, page 354). --found in The Daily Halacha by Rabbi Eli J. Mansour.

Additionally, I would imagine that skiing would be classified as Uvdin D'Chol - an act, which even if it technically involves no other labors that are forbidden on Shabbat would not be permitted because it is considered an "weekday activity."Although, as you asserted, there may be some cases in which this may be "in the eye of the beholder," we generally determine by the majority.

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